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  • factoryman
    06-19 01:31 PM
    Don't know what the officer will do. Don't tell me I didn't tell you.

    COMPARISON OF ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS VERSUS CONSULAR PROCESSING


    The purpose of this page is to address the advantages and disadvantages of Adjustment of Status and Consular Processing. There are various factors that need to be considered, including the procedures, the cost, the time and the risks involved in each process.

    I. TIME
    Generally, Adjustment of Status Applications take about 12-15 months to be approved by the INS. In most cases, Consular Processing takes approximately 6 to 9 months, depending on which US Consulate is chosen.

    II. CONSULATE NOTIFICATION
    The decision to consular process often turns on the issue of whether the overseas consulate will accept an application without notification from the INS via the National Visa Center (NVC). At present only a handful of Consulates will accept such an application. The usual course calls for the INS to send notice of the approval of the I-140 to the NVC in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which then notifies the particular consulate.


    From time to time, an I-824 is required in order to Consular Process. In these scenarios, Consular processing takes in excess of one year and is almost never a good option. Because some consulates are realizing that the I-824 processing times at the Service Centers are unreasonably lengthy, several Consulates have opted to allow consular processing in their discretion without the requirement of the notification from the NVC. Under this process, the AC I-140 (attorney certified I-140), the attorney directly sends the Consulate a certified copy of the I-140 approval notice.


    There are a few things to keep in mind if you choose the AC I-140 process. First, not all consulates recognize it. Second, some Consulates may later switch to an approach where they demand the I-824. Third, some of the consulates who do accept ACI-140 do so only on grounds of hardship, such as the aging out of a child.

    III. 180 DAY PORTABILITY RULE
    Persons whose I-485s have been pending at the INS for 180 days or longer are ordinarily eligible to transfer to a new employer without abandoning their I-485 Adjustment of Status Application. The rules surrounding the 180 Day Portability are new and can be complex. However, the Portability rule can provide great relief to employees who are concerned that future lay-offs or Reductions In Force may cause their permanent Residency Applications to fail. Because of several liberalized I-485 rules, it usually a poor choice to opt for Consular Processing.

    IV. LOCAL ISSUES
    Each consulate has its own nuances. Most U.S. Consulates require police certificates for all applicants 16 years or older covering all periods that they have resided in a foreign country. This requirement does not exist in the case of adjustment of status. The consular officers also require a certified copy of any military records, whereas this is not required in adjustment of status applications. The consulate in Manila will only accept birth certificates issued by the National Statistics Office. A person who does not have all the documents at the time of the interview will need to appear for a second interview.


    In all cases however, the medical exams have to be completed by a designated doctor in that country. In London, the medical exams are completed the same day as the interview. However, in Johannesburg, Chennai, and Mumbai, the medical exams have to be completed at least two weeks before the interview. Essentially, this means the employee will need to spend approximately three weeks overseas or will require two trips overseas.


    In most cases, interview notices are generated approximately 30 days prior to the actual interview. As a practical matter, families need to depart the U.S. immediately upon receipt of an interview notice in order to have plenty of time to complete the medical exam.


    In addition to the general procedural differences between the two processes, there are more stringent requirements in consular processing. For example, it is generally easier to obtain waivers of certain medical grounds for exclusion, such as HIV, if you are Adjusting.

    V. COSTS
    Another issue that should be analyzed is the cost associated with each process. The major monetary difference is travel costs. Plainly, you only need to pay for a flight overseas if you are Consular processing. This can be burdensome and costly where there are several family members.


    Another factor that may indirectly affect the costs to the employer and employee is the time that will be required to be spent outside of the United States. During the adjustment of status process, a person can continue their employment in the United States while the case is processing. In consular processing cases, they are required to be out of the U.S. for approximately a month, assuming no problems arise in their case. If problems do arise in their case, they may need to stay overseas longer than anticipated. Alternatively, they could, in most cases, come back to the U.S. but would need to travel to the consulate again for a follow-up interview. Obviously, this adds to additional time away from work and additional expenses. In addition, for employees who have school age children, this would require the child's absence from school.

    VI. RISKS
    The major factor in deciding whether to choose adjustment of status or consular processing is the risk involved. By far, consular processing is much more risky than the adjustment of status process. First, consular processing provides less opportunity for attorney assistance. In the adjustment of status process, the attorneys prepare the application and file it with the INS. If the INS has a Request for Additional Evidence or any issues in the case, the information is sent to the attorney at which time the attorney can review the issues with the client and submit a response. In consular processing, the consulates do not allow the person to be represented by an attorney during the interview. Sometimes the attorney can stay in the waiting room and address any questions that the applicant has, but is not allowed to actually represent them at the interview.


    Second, consular processing involves a personal interview whereas the adjustment of status does not. Of course, any time that there is a personal interview, there is more risk that the applicant will say something unfavorable to his case. It also provides the officer with more time to go in depth into the applicant's immigration history or any issues of excludability. For example, if the employee's job title or job duties have changed at all since the filing of the labor certification then there is more of a chance that the consulate will focus on this issue and could deny the application. In contrast, in adjustment of status the INS does not delve into the exact job duties, (e.g. specific tools, utilities, software) but rather focuses on the job title, salary, and whether there is a continued offer of employment.


    Third, consular officers sometimes work with a mindset of distrust because they are accustomed to seeing fraudulent cases. Keep in mind that Manila, Mumbai, and Chennai are high fraud posts.


    Fourth, anyone who has been unlawfully present in the United States and is subject to the 3/10 year bar would immediately trigger that bar once he departed the U.S. Clearly, a person in this situation should not even consider consular processing as such as decision would be fatal.


    Finally, and most importantly, a denial of a visa at a Consulate post cannot be appealed.

    VII. EMPLOYMENT FOR SPOUSES
    Spouses can obtain employment authorization while their Application for Adjustment of Status is pending at the INS. They are ineligible for work authorization while their Consular Processing Application is pending.

    VIII. CONCLUSION
    In sum, consular processing can be advantageous in some situations. However, the decision to do consular processing should be made on a case-by-case basis based upon the particular consulate and the facts of each case. Ordinarily, Adjustment of Status is the better approach.




    any members planning consular processing in delhi ???
    please respond




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  • BECsufferer
    08-30 06:55 PM
    Is there any relation between biometrics and the final green card approval time?

    I have got annecdotal info from several friends. With one exception (because of a name check process that has taken over two years!) most people receive the green card around three months after the biometrics.

    Is that the case?

    Biometrics expire after 15 months. This could be renewal, however if it turns to be what you think ? than good for you.

    In my case, biometrics had expired 6-8 months ago, but USCIS never informed me. My PD is current but they are saying case is struck at last background check. All other stuff like name-check, finger-prints are done.




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  • shyamiv
    08-13 11:45 AM
    USA which is a so called developed country, takes 6 months to issue a passport due to the fact that USCIS is over...........loaded with work. So Flashing story is an old one and will only fit in Hollywood world.

    The US Department of State Bureau of Consular Affairs issues a US passport to eligible citizens. Applying for passport and issuance is not a USCIS affair and hence is a lot faster i would say a month or less at most ! Had it been a USCIS affair.... most americans will still be tracking their passport case status online ! :)




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  • bmeduru11
    02-18 12:54 PM
    Thank You for your comments.

    I didn't receive any confirmation from USCIS regarding interfiling.
    Interfiling was submitted on Jan15th - On Feb 15th my case status was updated as "Denial Notice Sent"



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  • americandesi
    10-21 08:22 PM
    That is true but I want one of them to be rejected and by not responding to FP and stopping payment on checks I am trying to exactly that.

    Rather than you taking a decision on this, let USCIS decide how to proceed with your case.

    Refer following thread on this topic
    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=88355&postcount=39

    The conclusion says "worst case scenario could be an RFE from USCIS to choose one. Best case scenario is USCIS upon approving one cancels other"




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  • pappu
    07-30 11:38 AM
    I do not doubt that these calls serve a purpose. What I am not very happy about is what transpires after the call. I look for some kind of gratification or closure after a certain issue has been raised. When we participate in such calls with Ombudsman, and even when individuals focus on their own issues, it would not be too difficult to identify some of the generic problems. From the calls this time and the past one, I would be surprised it they did not see customer service and processing times as major issues. Not to say these are high priority problems but that most likely would be the summary of two calls.

    But, what happens after that? We do not see what procedures are in place/discussions to rectify these problems.

    Thats where I think calls/meeting with USCIS local or DC body could help. Thanks for pointing out that such meetings are already in the works. I will defer my discussion to my local chapter. Thanks.

    I agree.
    Maybe this is something our community can ask Ombudsman's office so that after calls, we can know any follow up action and status on the 'issues' raised during the call.



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  • 9years
    04-08 05:59 PM
    My Details:

    EB3 India
    PD: October 15 2003
    I-485 filed on July 2nd 2007
    I-140 Approved on Aug 15th 2007
    Texas Service Center




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  • sundeep14
    10-29 01:00 PM
    I checked my current labor certification. it has the following details :

    ETA FORM 9089
    A) PREVAILING WAGE INFORMATION
    SOC/O*NET(OES) CODE
    15-1031.00
    OCCUPATONAL TITLE
    COMPUTER SOFTWARE ENGINEER

    B) JOB OPPORTUNITY INFORMATION
    JOB TITLE: SOFTWARE ENGINEER(THIS IS CURRENT)

    C) IDENTIFY THE JOB TITLE OF THE ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATE OCCUPATION:
    PROGRAMMER ANALYST OR SYSTEMS ANALYST

    D) JOB DUTIES
    CREATE TEST PLANS, TEST CASES AND ANALYZE USER NEEDS AND CREATE AND
    MODIFY APPLICATION SOFTWARE USING VARIOUS SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGIES


    My question is based on the above can i switch to another field like SAP for example. I am not sure if companies will be ready to give me a offer letter with the above text for a SAP job.

    Any ideas friends?



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  • Houstonguy
    04-24 11:56 AM
    Paapu, I support IV's move and whole-heartedly acknowledge your adept leadership. Please stay encouraged and forgive your fellow brothers, who don't know what is good for them, and be blessed with inner strength for your self-less work.

    The most important thing for all of us now is OUR COLLECTIVE SUPPORT TO IV by instant contribution, to accomplish these reforms which can change many lives and careers. I think this the biggest expected reform, bigger than July 2nd filing SUCCESS, thus we should do HIGHEST contribution to pull it to our side. We should think - What I, as an individual, am doing for this peaceful lobbying? Am I doing anything? can I do more? and then we will find ways to help IV and help ourselves. Then we would not think twice to add $100 or $200 which is about 1/10 th cost of your 1 month apt rent - and stop paying rent forever after greencard and saving millions with free job change, multiple jobs, own business, or buying house etc.

    Everybody should realise the importance of getting the some relief rather than nothing with further discussion on ROW effect, please!

    My $200.00 is on its way.




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  • gk_2000
    07-30 07:39 PM
    Yeh safar bahut hei kathin magar
    na udhaas ho mere humsafar

    YouTube - 1942- A Love Story - Yeh Safar Bahut Hai - AKB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T8gprzXqd8)



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  • kris04
    10-08 04:59 PM
    Yes, roseball, you got it right.

    Whats the reason to join Employer A and what will make me become an employee of Employer A - like i to have them do my W2?

    GC is approved based on Good Faith that the sponsoring employer will employ you after GC is approved or you will work for sponsoring employer after GC is approved, if not then it could cause trouble for you during citizenship or your sponsoring employer could report to USCIS about the non-compliance--> This is legal term

    But there is one way around it, join employer A and get yourself fired from the job then you're fine.

    HTH

    kris




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  • ramus
    05-29 09:12 PM
    HI.. Could you please send web-fax.. We want to reach 3000 number tonight..

    If core team is doing so much, can we do this for ourself and show them our support.
    Thank you so much.



    How will the new bill affect the I-485 processing time?

    Does anyone know the minimum and maximum times required for I-485 processing?

    What type of factors delay the I-485 processing?

    Let us say A filed for I-485 on the day 1 of the month when PD becomes current, B on the 15th day and C on the last day. Does this mean that A will get greencard first, B next and C last?

    Thank you in advance for your information.



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  • Dhundhun
    11-24 05:13 AM
    Nihar, let me understand your problem and explain you, what might be happening?
    #1. You are doing MBA
    #2. In Apr 2007, you applied for H1B through some consultant. There was oversubscription and so lottery was there. Through lottery, you got selected - but this is not H1B approval.
    #3. Meanwhile your consultant (or you) got RFE, to which you replied in Aug.
    #4. H1B is usually approved in Oct/Nov. You have still not in hand but you see it aapproved on USCIS site.
    #5. This period is dual status, you are on OPT and H1B is approved. If you have both OPT and H1B, you continue as OPT for taxation purpose this year. Consultant will not be deducting social security.
    #6. If you are on dual status, your H1B will start from Jan 2008.
    #7. But if your OPT is already expired, you can only work through consultant after getting H1B papers. You remain in USA waiting for H1B to become available.
    #8. If you have not requested for OPT, you are neither on OPT nor on H1B. You are just on F1 Visa. After completing MBA, if H1B is refused, you will become out of status. OPT has to be applied 3 months before the end of session.




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  • xbohdpukc
    03-15 05:17 PM
    As per my attorney, the provision of using I-140 date is for an individual. Employer's revocation has no impact.

    As per Adjudicator's Field Manual:

    If an alien is the beneficiary of two (or more) approved employment-based immigrant visa petitions, the priority of the earlier petition may be applied to all subsequently-filed employment-based petitions.

    The key word there is APPROVED. One might argue that since a petition has been revoked, it's no longer approved, therefore the clause cannot be used for a PD recapturing. There might be another argument stating that if an alien has ever had an approved I-140 petition and never used the attached priority date then he/she is still eligible to recapture that PD. This is a huge wiggling space for the adjudicator and I don't think there is a clear explanation from the USCIS.

    You can always hope for the best and get ready for the worst.



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  • anilsal
    10-30 04:42 PM
    I understand what you are saying but its difficult for people to check their typos when posting online. I mean not every one has that time when they are juggling things. It's not M$oft outlook right :) B T W, I am not the one who posted it.
    I think if the person misspelt Stanford once, it is fine. If there have been multiple references and he misspelt all of them, then there is a problem.

    My opinion (and mine only) is that if we claim high skills/higher education for our immigration, then we should be able to type decent english even with eyes closed. ;)




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  • apahilaj
    12-31 01:32 PM
    No FP notice either. Check signatue for more details.



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  • gckidhamal
    11-19 02:50 PM
    http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=6727
    http://www.durrani.com/newsite/news_items/nactive_disp.asp?ID=4183
    http://www.laborimmigration.com/2008/11/texas-service-introduces-streamline-procedure-for-i-485s-and-i-140s/




    ivjobs
    11-09 01:48 PM
    Just to keep the ideas about entrepreneurship and the group activity floating at a central place, a file has been created in the group. Any one who feels their ideas, thoughts and proposals are worth and benefit the VI entrepreneur community, please add them below. The team will review them frequently and try to implement as many as feasible in the best interests of the IV and the group.

    Compilation of some of the ideas/thoughts already proposed by the entrepreneurship group members:

    1. Create a Charter which describes our activities,what we want to do,
    roles, responsibilities, How to address issues and conflicts among
    members etc.

    2. Establish a core team/board who will report to a chair and is
    ultimately responsible for policies, actions etc.

    3.Identify and assign responsibility to individual members

    4.Clearly identify the chain of command (whose responsible for what
    and who does final decision)

    5. Also assign the charter/board to come up with a business plan, do
    investment analysis etc for the group.

    6. Chalk out any short term and long term initiatives such as
    attracting and retaining folks, managing day to day affairs, sharing
    the wealth of knowledge and profits.

    7. Should we register a ivstartup.org domain?
    its 9.99/yr at godaddy, so that we can move from an informal setup
    like yahoo groups to a more formal setup...with our own forum and
    all..

    8.Also to meet the cost...lets have a $1 as a yearly fee (or 50
    cent/month) or 10$ life long membership....that will cover the cost
    of hosting.

    9. Like the one proposed on IV about Housing Crisis and speedy green card approval for buying houses, why not we propose an agenda for speedy green card process for I 485 pending and aspiring/existing entrepreneurs?

    10. Create a shared repository for the all the startup related information specifically targeting IV audience.

    Please add in your thoughts to the above or visit

    http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ivstartup/files/




    rghrdr777
    10-27 11:15 AM
    I got the same response about AP (same RD), approved Oct 17, not received yet.

    Please let us know if you receive it. Good luck.

    My lawyer received our AP's yesterday. They sent me a photocopy. Even though the TSC IO said that my application was approved on 10/17/2007, the travel document has a date of 10/11/2007. Good luck to you.

    TSC (Sent to NSC. Got transferred to TSC)
    RD: 06/25/2007
    ND: 08/01/2007
    EAD Self Card Received: 08/23
    EAD Spouse Card Received: 08/25
    FP done for myself and Spouse: 09/06
    Name check initiated on 08/09/2007 and is pending
    AP: Approved 10/11/2007 received by attorney: 10/27/2007
    GC: Waiting



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